The political landscape is more volatile and explosive than ever. Why then is .22 LR so hard to get now and why is the price so high? Thats WHY!!! Finally a thorough, realistic explanation. Anyhow all the best to you and your company and for a brighter 2021. wrist rockets require no bullet powder or primers, ant wrist rocket ammo can be found for free on the ground if need be. As far as demand is concerned, a perfect storm of factors has caused a run on the ammo market like we've never quite seen before. With primer prices approaching U$.10 cent each, they now cost the same as most 9mm bullets. Are you guys planning on raising maximum order back to 5000 at some point? Thanks Bryan. Canada has an abundance of primers, cannot be shipped to US. A Third Primer Manufacturer Now Tooling Up For Production in Texas in Maryland Democrats Moving Toward a Ghost Gun Ban to Stop Violent Crime, SHOT Show: A 53-Round Fat Magazine AR-15 And A Bullpup 10/22 Stock From Desert Tech, Houston: Four Armed Robbers Attempt Gas Station Heist, An Armed Customer Shoots Three, Happy Ending: Rena Got Her Gun Back After Springfield, IL Police Confiscated It, Illinois Gun Owners Survived Day One of New Gun Ban that Outlaws Carrying Popular Defensive Firearms in Public. Since the start of 2020, we have had extreme difficulty obtaining primers. The public never had a chance to buy a thing. Details. Many people think that when a company like us places an order with the manufacturer that we receive the order in x number of days. Feb 15, 2022. drgondog said: Conversation with Gene Sears Supply yesterday. Or RCBS ? we dont see things getting better anytime soon. I call it.saving for a rainy day. It will be the right man! I find it interesting that youre here looking for shotshell primers yet you consider our article on why there is a primer shortage and subsequent follow up to be engaging in unethical commerce. I might not be able to reload, but I will have a clean butt for the next 5 to 10 years!! I have been stockpiling. I wont turn on my fellow American, but Ill have to defend my family. A Closer Look at the Primer Shortage. I am sure the Covid-19 problem has taken its toll, but to think that the world has stopped producing ammo makes no sense. AKA tin horn dictators Bwhaha bwhaha bwhaha, Great explanation of the circumstances. Prototype production up front please, as fast as you can. Really appreciate it. It was nice to read your article on the shortage of reloading supplies. Democrats are now raving Communists hell bent on disarming the people to continue their run of corruption and selling out our country to a globalist cabal. TulAmmo Non-Corrosive Boxer Primers $ 27. Hope its just a matter of time before supply returns. 99. Primers and powder are pretty much pure unobtainium these days, and Im short of both. Probably best answer to the situation, thanks. Have any primers you want to sell if youre moving on to new hobbies? probably going to a military order recently placed before they loose there funding for at least four years. Thanks for the insight. They all went bang so far. Recently I went to Google and researched Primers for sale. However, Ive recently seen .22 LR (if you can find it) going for up to 30 cents per round! I will be watching for your news that you have some inventory in, will order primers, powder and a few thousand bullets. Reloading. Reset Quickview APS Pistol Primer Small Pistol. Search Showing. GM150M. Expansion Industries, with a hundred million in capital, has secured a location and is advertising for staff to run the production lines it has planned to open later this year. Keep checking your trusted online distributor Powder Valley for new arrivals of primers from all four manufacturers. Over the last several years, I have purchasing a sleeve (5,000) primers a year, whether I needed them or not. Please lead the industry and create this, complete with email and phone text notices. The Texarkana Gazette wrote about the new employer . In this critical time Im afraid we are going to need them more than ever Respfully. Full Member. So,,,,,AMERICA FIRST!!!!!!!!!!! one thing i have seen that pisses me off is a ton of people on gunbroker saleing primer for 100 a 1000 and up.i would stop reloading before i bought a dang thing from them.i have always bought in bulk 1000 to 5000 at a time,but i have a lot of friends that only want a few hundred at a time and they know they can get them from at what i payed for them. Our government now is corrupted until we get a new president things will stay the same. all this year. Like any other product in a market economy, primers are subject to the whims of supply and demand. We all need to keep praying!! Capitalism is dead and we fall victim to 1 supply chain breaking a link. There are a lot of rumors going around about the shortages of reloading supplies . So I load for almost nothing if I can get primers. Minuteman. This all started when Obama put a limit on the amount of lead a business can either store or order. Lucky Gunner's Jake Felde said the lack of primers had the greatest impact on small ammo makers and reloaders. It also doesn't help that there are rumors that the four producers of primers (CCI, Federal, Winchester, and Remington) are diverting much of their produced primers to the commercial ammunition manufacturers and shorting what they would normally send to distributors as a standalone component. This leaves primers, which are relatively difficult to make, as the component that causes the bulk of ammo shortages. Sheeple never learn in all arenas of life. This is so very true. 2 No, our employees do not share information and get the primers to all their buddies. Its like when your electricity goes out during a storm or whatever, you just dont realize how much you take flipping a switch, (or having a plentiful supply of primers to choose from), for granted until its GONE. The most important thing you said is PRAY to God for our country and our elected?? With the 12 & 20ga reloaders, a Lee turret press Ive left mounted and the Dillon, Ive run out of room. They should lift some regulations and let Americans be Americans. PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY AND PRAY AGAIN. John Richardson over at No Lawyers Only Guns & Money blog put it all together in a report thats great news for Americas gun owners and reloaders. with the zestful glee I think we can anticipate from the new administration coming in I would think they would be trying to sabotage any and all efforts to re-establish this primer supply line I will never forget watching Teddy Kennedy, as he was boarding a jet and was asked by a reporter about the latest Brady Bill defeat saying we have learned that if we can stifle the supplies of ammunition then gun control with become a mute point .. that has echoed in my memory ever since. A brick of 1000 Winchester small rifle primers now costs more than $120. Defend your opinion with solid logic. Under what reason? I believe the use of the word stockpile is to be prepared for short or long term shortages. It is obvious that the left has driven us to this point. This has happened before and I decided the last time I would buy a little every other month until I felt I had enough. Good luck to us all, were going to need it. More importantly, primers are not something you can simply "add another production line" to instantly increase production. Just think about how much better you will feel, relaxing in your front room, a skeen of yarn by your side and your knitting needles clicking away while a beautiful comforter materalizes in front of you from your dilligent efforts. Recap: primer manufacturers are Federal, CCI, Winchester, Remington, S&B & soon to be Lone Star. Unfortunately, many of those reloaders entered the market anticipating that it would be easier to make their own ammo since readily available ammunition was so difficult to find. Not at this time. My last purchase of 5,000 CCI small pistol primers was in March 2020. Even if they sell exclusively to manufacturers, that means more stock will be available from Olin and Vista. Good news: investors are doing just that, starting up a new company in the great state of Texas dedicated to making primers by the truckload. Participant. Magnum and std large rifle primers are the most difficult to locate, the std being the hardest. Watching our brothers running around playing Cowboy and Indians! Thanks for the information. Q: I have seen/heard many rumors and conjecture on powder shortages with Hodgdon Powder. Did I leave anything out? One other thing, hand loading was once upon a time more economical that buying factory loads. Being in the commercial ammunition business for over ten years, Ive met hundreds it not thousands of shooters and reloaders. To make more money. Asking for a friend. Full Member. Sometimes even the Catholic Nuns would join in. The hope would be that Vista will place more emphasis on getting the Remington primer production capacity increased substantially and quickly. Biden did say he would put bozo Orork in charge of gun situation and he said hell yea we will outlaw ar & ak47 our country dont fear god and that has become dangerous! I received an answer back quickly, Canada, it seems that Canada has powder and primers, to what level I dont know. So disheartening as I send a press to Dillon for repairs. Very good analysis! Together Winchester, CCI, and Federal Premium currently account for most of the ammunition primers produced and sold in the US. The government is increasing the ordering of ammo! . I had really cut back on shotgun for a while. Gun lobbyists saw to their unbridled sale and the Xbox Call of Duty generation is filling their pockets in return. We all need to learn from the past so it wont happen in the future. On top of that, there have been changes in upper management at Murom which have caused further disruptions. Its just too messy and complex. According to publicly available data, since 2015 Olin has received more than 1,600 federal contracts to supply ammunition and components to federal agencies. : r/reloading. Then they sell ammo at 500% + rate. No wool shortage coming, theres plenty of sheeple! When it comes to ammunition supplies, bullets are easy to manufacture, brass can be re-used, and powder is generally stockpiled by companies (though perhaps not the kind youre looking for). dang, was thinking more of casting /testing hand rolled 12 guage slugs, Talk about shortage. Can the limits be set at 5,000? We believe this is having an impact on availability, but probably not to the extreme that many think. Very helpful to have some insight into whats going on behind the scenes in the primer world. For those of us, that use Powder Valley almost exclusively for components, it wold be nice if you set up a will call data base to keep customers names and contacts on file so you can contact them where you do have primers for sale. Thanks for all of the hard work you folks do. There was a surplus of AR-15s last year at $800. Type: Large Pistol Match. Have not bought any since then. The panic buying always starts when the Democrats are in power or close to getting their hands on power. Fortunately, we buy about 18 months ahead, but if things dont get better in 2021, Im not really sure what we are going to do. That was a very comprehensive report on the primer situation. The pandemic specifically has incentivized shooters to learn how to reload their own ammo. Reactions: KZP. I believe in part its because of the law suits that destroyed Remington and now going after Cabelas/ Bass pro. Just my opinion, but! I wish Powder Valley would devise a backorder system where we could have an order in place when primers and other items become available. for those of you that are finding shotgun primers, how much are you paying? Thank you, Bryan R., for this very informative and comprehensive message. A couple of new members of my local small club have taken on loading and have experienced primer issues of which I will certainly help them with some primers. Modify Search. Great Primer Shortage of 2020. Another result of this madness is the lack of availability of rimfire ammunition. Sounds a little two faced. Learn how to throw the knitting needleslol, If youre going to approach knitting as youd approach reloading youre going to need some sheep. Praying for change is OK. This is a very difficult item to safely make on a huge scale. Even at that, with the shortages I guess the sensible thing to do is avoid any major shootouts. Store For Availability. I understand the reasoning behind limiting primer purchases to 1k. Hogden is probably going to have shortages for a while because Mulwex decided to rework their product lines and manufacturing processes. BUT.there is NO shortage of primers in Canada. I hope that they are close to Winchesters line of primers sort of the Goldilocks brand not too hard like CCI, not too soft like Federal, generally. November 20, 2021 at 10:38 pm #388407. glennsevert. I ask, where do they get their primers? Stating in a public document that President Biden is anti-Second is a wrong approach. Over the past couple years here in The Peoples Republic of Illinois I have pooled my finances and purchased the contents of a couple gun shops being forced out of business, sold off the stuff I did not need to recoup some of my expenses. The orange one. They told me Winchester fully dedicating primer production to cartiges for rest of 2021 to meet demand. There you have it. A Corner on the Primer Market. It can be done fairly easily. Find in-stock ammunition at the best prices.FAST. Wow that sounds like a Kommie line. This will definitely put a hurting on all the shooting sports, hell pretty much anything with a bullet. The number of profiteers seems pretty high. only take what you need, If you have 20K rounds and 20K primers, I think you are more than good for a war. So I do hope they flow as smooth as CCI, Win or Federal Primers. Details. Not sure if you noticed but we do have W209 shotshell primers in stock at this time. So Hodgdon can't ship more Varget or H4350 in the USA unless Hodgdon . And also the skudel but is the new jurk wont take our guns but will inforce a slow down and in time a halt of production of the supplies needed to use our guns. Don't know where you live but my advice would be to start looking where all the masses of people's don't. My local gun store has many tens of thousands of primers for shotgun, rifle, handgun. Prices that were quoted were very much in line. They are a great company to deal with. I do have a fear that unethical commerce will ruin this sport and create dissension in its ranks in the name of profit. That is usually their mode of operation. With Sierras purchase of Barnes we anticipate the availability of Barnes bullets to increase substantially in a very short period of time. 25 years later, still no problems. CCI Primers, Remington Primers, Winchester Primers, Federal Primers, Cheddite Primers . Which is good advice anytime. https://www.bullseyenorth.com/reloading-primers/browse/page/2. Normally, we would say stock up. But that time has passed, and I would encourage everyone to learn from this. leaders. I am one of those people, started reloading late 2018. NO GOD, NO HOPE. They plan on employing more than 400 by 2023 and have plans beyond that. Seems a bit weird to me. I understand having limits but 2000 primers and paying hazmat fee with shipping means I will not be buying any primers unless I need powder also. No coercion necessary, all they have to do is sell theirs cheaper than the start-up, and they put them out of business. freedom of speech for example, so stock up while and when you can. I believe that many Americans would be. To God be the Glory!! But I doubt the gun-broker crowd are gonna let em go for what we pay. We are all smart enough to have meaningful discussion without demonizing the political opposition. Misinformation throughout the debacle of our country deciding between Trump or democracy has been exceedingly dangerous. By doing so, a shooter avoids the ups and downs of supply and demand. Available funds never allowed me to stock up so I didnt. At this point all my pistols are basically paperweights or nothing more than a 4 pound rock to throw at an intruder or assailant. Details. I for one am not affected by this as I stocked up a GOD help us all. The .22 LR is not a good self defense cartridge, its not reloadable, and it doesnt require primers in the traditional sense. Email is simply not the way to go. The use has a implied negative connotation. Obviously you disagree with the premise of the 2nd Amendment and thats entirely your right. I think you are spot on. Jul 2, 2021. Just stand by. Glenmoore, PA. Refine by Primer Style: 209M 50 Caliber BMG. 22-Dasher Sergeant of the Hide. It is time to put God back in our country! Strange, is it not? This would be similar to crude oil supply,,,,,None, Zero, Zilch was exported until we were/are self-sufficient,,,Now we are exporting oil Keep the guns, they may be good as clubs in a self-defense situation. Thanks for this information. Thanks. I have a large supply of miscellaneous CCI and Remington primers that are from 20 to 30 years old and have not had a misfire yet. Been doing it for years. Hornady, maybe? The personal ammo makers are a huge part of their sales and will always be there because they are loyal shooters. You are never too old to have fun! COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Only buy what you need if you want to keep your 2nd Amendment, this is a time we need to band together and spread the wealth. I cut my shooting by 75%! The amendment doesnt need supporting or the illusion of some patriotic hero defending it. The lack of foreign primers on the market is a major reason we believe this shortage is going to last for quite some time. Oboma was elected no 22s Biden was elected no reloading supplies seems odd. Maybe 1 case of each type of primers per order plus whatever powder or other items desired? Just my thoughts. And most of all thanks for the reminder to pray. What do you think a realistic time frame might be that primers will become available? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Gosh??? So far the only new 209 primer supply for last 8 months have been Noble. Texas made primers. The more I think about that, the better it sounds. After 40 years in LE I retired to do two things I love! Well, we are in a proverbial monsoon downpour right now. Havent manufacturers realized this isnt a temporary bump but a new level of demand? What law prohibits the import of primers from Canada? I did that very thing of taking advantage of low price ammo back since 2005 and forward till 2015. Thank you for your explanation and wish all the best. Cross bows, long bows and compounds dont need primers, at least they give you something to shoot with. Aug 26, 2009 1,161 1,408 I just go this in my morning Email briefs: I have expanded to casting and sizing bullets for myself, scavenging used brass even in calibers that can be converted. With the recent purchase of Remington by Vista, there is a good chance that Vista will be diverting CCI and Federal primers that would typically go to reloaders to Remington ammunition production. Only located one brick of small pistol std primers, at $75 for the brick. 400 new jobs in Texas and not the anti-gun northeast. Everyone reading this is now frantically buying up knitting needles and yarn. Thanks for the info. Canada has primers and they wont ship to the USA. So, we dont spend our morning coffee routine looking for primers. Now ammunition is drying up. Overpriced, but at least available. Vista Outdoors will offer them double or triple their price and buy their entire production output, to prevent reloaders from getting them. Limiting purchases to 1,000 is ok if I can have the order held and combined with other orders to minimize hazmat, though I understand why PV has no interest in allowing a layaway approach. I have three sleeves of large/Magnum primers left if anyone wants them, been selling them for 500.00 a sleeve but will do 450.00. Thanks for sharing-. Enough that even with hazmat shipping it was under 3 cents a primer. VOTING change is what will make a difference! So we are getting ready to do our part to help out with that issue.. This benefits pv and customers because it wont be about how many times a day we check..hoping to get lucky. Everyone wants to know in one sentence why there has been a primer shortage over the last 18 months or so. The two major players in the market, Olin (Winchester) and Vista Outdoor (Remington, CCI and Federal) have maxxed out their production with most of the output going to loaded ammunition. Lets see I need shotgun, small and larger rifle and pistol. Cost Range. Check With Your Local Ammo. Personally and as a nation, Vince, so true. I agree so maney new shooters and our fair share of hoarders makes it difacult for a real to keep up. I have a nice stock pile built up and will be just fine through this decades shortage. Having been through this before, I was prepared this time. Its kinda like the old caps we had for our cap gunms, the harder I hit the cap( with a hammer) the louder the crack. Really, Im a lily white snowflake liberal. I have been a customer for a number of years . Rifle,Pistol,Shotgun formed a co-op of manufacturing of primers where the employees got paid and goods sold at cost how much we all could shoot??? Cant blame the manufactures for that. 2. I say, America First! NO exporting reloading components Until our shelves are Full!! Thank fully we forsaw this coming. Hope some of them get hired by the new ammo company. Feedback from the primer distributors - the 4 US manufacturers of primers have a daily capacity of 4.6 million. Soon there will be someone from the government coming around with a supply to try to pull over your eyes. Most serious gunners had a supply of ammunition and reloading supplies. If you have nothing to sell, how do you stay in business? Thank you. keep up the good work and thank you. No Limit and $70 a thou- gone in a few hours if that. Possibly by federal taxes on on components as they plan on semi- automatic rifles. Big load of Noble and Clever/Mirage shells came in via Houston last Monday. Courts have upheld their law. If they feel the government is trying to track them than have someone in here that took up knitting make you a tin yarn cap. The ultra-popular H4198, H4895, Varget, H4350, and H4831 family of powders are produced by ADI in Australia **. Domestic manufacturers can't get components like primers, and lead/brass are mostly coming from Asia on ships. So the Maple Leaf eating folks in North Montana dont ship to the US. IF THAT IS TRUE, the shortage will ease up sometime in December. Its all about politics at its core. Democrats are Anti-American and Anti-Constitutional scum. Please give us any updates as they become available. From the Distributors who sell to Retail . few years ago and still have a good supply. Were back !. I find myself wondering, just how many loaded rounds are enough? I have a lot of brass, it makes me recall, Nature abhors a vacuum. Empty brass needs to be filled more now that we are short on components. This could also be done in the form of high taxes on primers ,powder ect. I have plenty of large pistol primers and large rifle but need small rifle primers. And brass. Its an oxymoron. There are old ammo plants all across America, from the war efforts. Im praying for us to keep our freedoms and come through this episode unscathed. Im still wondering why not. Not resonable to pay shipping and hazmat on 2000 primers. We are slowly facing a bad mojo and there seems to be no slowdown or stoppage. Lucky Gunner & # x27 ; t ship more Varget or H4350 in the primer distributors - the us... 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