"There is a very low possibility of seeing them in the. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. It's not an emerging endangered species no work no there are there are populations in specific states so the Florida panther is is an endangered species that sub population is in fact listed under the Endangered Species Act. The best documentation we have in New Hampshire suggests there hasnt been a mountain lion killed by a hunter in this state since 1885. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. Sam. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. The report came in from a conservation officer. It was killed in Lee New Hampshire in 1853. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Peter Biello: Ok. Rick your thoughts. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. It was a 3:45 pm on the east side of the river . It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. John. So hard to know hard to refute if there's no interest in making up a story which many people of course do then I would respond the same way as Pat did. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Caller: I do. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. OK. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain lion sightings in the Northeast, although most have been thought to be escaped captive animals. There are also many unconfirmed sightings. You're on the air. She is renowned for tracking. And they were using all the habitat. Have it reported down in the Keene area. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. That's pretty elaborate. And we want to know your stories if you have them 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 or email exchange at an HP bar dot org we'll talk about conspiracy theories when we come back. We've met Fish and Game's BURDEN OF PROOF. So you want identifiable backgrounds. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Phone number 1 800. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. New York on Easter Sunday. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. A young male cougar weighing about 40 pounds was shot and killed this week near Whiteclay, Nebraska. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Have you seen one. It was determined that Mountain Lion came from the Dakotas across the Northern part of our country . Its closest living relative is the cheetah. So in fact, maybe a decade ago now there was a mountain lion killed in Connecticut and through DNA analysis of that mountain lion and scat that had been left in various places. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. Peter Biello: I did mention four feet nose to tail would be kind of small for a mountain lion. Possible Mountain Lion Sighting in New Hampshire CONCORD, N.H. -- The New Hampshire Fish and Game Department today reported that one of its staff members, following up on a routine report of a mountain lion sighting, saw what is believed to be a mountain lion in a rural area of Barnstead, N.H. Right. I mean there was this one lady I remember and tough tomorrow. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. You don't know what's going on. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. The one confirmed case, sometimes referred to as the " Connecticut Mountain Lion " happened in June 2011 when an SUV struck and killed a cougar in Milford. Artculos cientficos; Artculos de divulgacin; Menu Yeah I did. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. No that's a little bit outside the range. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Jun 13, 2011. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. May 18, 2012 Mountain Lion Killed In Conn. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. On June 9 2021 I saw a Mountain Lion along the Connecticut river in Clarksville New Hampshire . There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. Thank you. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. After apparently trying unsuccessfully to get the young lion to leave, the man decided to shoot it. Peter Biello: Nice to be here. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. This is a list of known or suspected fatal cougar attacks that occurred in North America by decade in chronological order. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. lewis structure for ch2cl. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. SYCAMORE, Ill. (AP) A mountain lion that was struck and killed last weekend along a northern Illinois highway will be analyzed by biologists seeking to uncover the rare animal's origins, state . And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Patrick Tate: So the individuals can say that but for an agency that's based on science and what not to to go off with no evidence and then get into that giant debate and all these other issues and put credibility at risk I don't think that would be a great path to take. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. Rick van de Poll: Absolutely. Still, it's been over 100 years since the last mountain lion was killed east of the Mississippi, except for a patch of them down in Florida, where there are supposed to be 100 to 200 still living. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". It's listed as population of least concern. You know interactions are pretty unusual. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. Peter Biello: From New Hampshire Public Radio I'm Peter Biello in for Lark Knoy and this is the exchange. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. More than 450 Facebook users as of Thursday had shared a photo Marc Weir posted Wednesday showing the big cat and . Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. I don't know if she still is. Thank you. So that did it for me. But those who called the New Hampshire Fish and Game officer were told the last time a mountain lion was seen in the state was in the 1850s, and it's unlikely they have made a return. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: If I could just say one thing. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. The last documented individuals in the entire Northeast were killed in New Brunswick , Canada, in 1932, and Maine in 1938. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Peter Biello: Well John thanks very much for the story really appreciate it. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. And you know all that. The next week, on June 11, the cat was hit and killed by an SUV on the Wilbur Cross Parkway in Milford. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. Caller: Oh hi. What do you think that. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. The last catamount in Vermont is finally, officially, certainly dead. May 23 . It is also known as cougar, panther, mountain lion, and puma, though catamount is the preferred regional vernacular. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. Thank you. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. If so that's for us as an agency. There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. It was a 140-pound male mountain lion, the first confirmed in Connecticut in more than 100 years. Really appreciate it. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. There are corollaries in other states. Thanks for your call. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. It's good to talk to you. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. We're gonna cue you up and bring into the program listeners in just a moment but I want to ask about the role that Mountain Lions play in the ecosystem we've been talking a lot about mountain lions traveling and being sort of hard to track as they move. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. Credit: Elizabeth Nichols via Storyful . They kill big animals. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. So what counts as verifiable evidence? Caller: Hi. So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. And really whenever you hear tiny code and long rope like tale it's kind of hard to pin this sighting on any other creature rather than an outline or just nothing else really matches that description. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid. What kind of animal is that. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. It was in the spring flash kind of early summer and my wife looked at you look at the size of an adult bear and we were up in arms. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. Sean McDonald. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. The experts' take on what happened last Saturday when a mountain lion killed one cyclist and injured another outside of Seattle. This is the exchange. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. Is this kind of a typical story. Email exchange it an HP fraud org or give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. He played a pivotal role and he battled for recognition. Well let's talk a little bit about that. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain. The scientific name for the catamount is Puma concolor. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. The next day I crossed the river and took pictures of a paw print he left behind . The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. So there's even debate about that very subject. Thank you very much for listening. Is that typically what was happening there. Wes Siler. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Okay. Love hearing these stories. It's you know I recognized their report and. There's always been physical evidence to prove those situations like hair or fur scat hair prints pictures of the animal print scat hair. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. A middle school in Manchester, New Hampshire has sent out an alert after a mountain lion was spotted. And so. They create these scrapes where theyre communicating with each other with scent. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Id like to hazard the explanation that we really, really want to see a mountain lion. And it's not really strong. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. Well I can't tell you what you saw. My YouTube Channel NH Fish and Game YouTube Channel My Facebook Page My Weekly Live Stream on the NH Wildlife Federation FB Page Home About Eric 2022 NH Nature Notes NH Wildlife NH Wildlife Deer Deer in NH However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. If you go on YouTube and search mount lion Pat you can see people patent their hundred pound kiddie like its regular mascot cat. Your support makes this news available to everyone. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Mike thanks for your call. However if if and when it does happen it takes up a lot of resources looking at that situation and identifying what's going on because when you start out you don't know it's a hoax. We're not in the woods. So I just brought up the bobcat thing because the location is fascinating to me that that that location we have Bobcats existing but that location we have a mountain lion report because it's a developed area and which brings me back to earlier what I had said it's a bouncing ball. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. On a dirt road. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. I saw a mountain lion on my property in NE corner of Dutchess County about 6 years ago -- the cat (or a cat) had been spotted many times over the years and was believed to have been introduced and escaped from a nearby Hunting Preserve. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. Give today. MicroBios. Pelosi story here we go. What Really Caused Washington's Cougar Attack. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. But you've done some reporting on this. 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