Hi ThereI have just been sent your site, I am praying your advice works. Pectus excavatum, which is from Latin meaning "hollow breast," is a chest wall deformity seen frequently in humans and less often in veterinary patients. Ok thank you. As for the floating rib, its attached to the backbone instead of the sternum. Dont give up on your puppy, it can be fixed. . After 3 days, I can fell the rib case of the puppy became oval and she can lays on her side by herself. I don't know how ling I can last..any suggestions are greatly appreciated. You're doing everything right by propping him up with the front leg 'rig' and putting him on his side.I think the basket (or box) technique may be especially helpful for you. That puppy sounds like what is called a SWIMMER. Thank you so much for sharing your experience with us! Like Scotty breeders, Bulldoggers are an inventive lot and have used mechanical support devises to lessen splaying of the front legs and encourage proper development. Abscesses: These are lumps that form as a result of an infection from a bite, wound or foreign object. That's WONDERFUL news! See how the foam is wedged against his leg from shoulder to elbow? PECTUS EXCAVATUM Pectus excavatum is the leading cause of rib flare. Can anyone see if this solution could be correct and could help too? It usually doesn't take more than 3-4 days for them to start sitting/standing from there.I know the original post is older, but I monitor the site and will be notified if you post again, so please let me know if you need any more information.Good luck! https://www.thedogplace.org/Reproduction/Swimming-Puppy-Syndrome_Andrews-146.asp. Ill be here to help if you need me.There is currently no way to post your photos here because I havent been able to convert to the new commenting system yet. His rib cage still seems very flat, but since hes up and about almost as much as the other kids, at least tries, I am not using any wrap(sock, t-shirt) etc for his rib cage. Reasons for breathing from the stomach may be: Congestive heart failure Foreign object blocking the airway Trauma Heat stroke Infection Note: Fido should see the vet since you cant give dogs the same medications that humans use. So if floating ribs arent dangerous for dogs. I had great success with the basket (see photo). I hope he will learn soon to walk too

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, Yvonne, CONGRATULATIONS! Since your girl is not walking at all, lets give the hobbled legs a day or two and see if that doesnt help resolve the issue. When he cries it is so soft and weak compared to his brother. I was told he had a hard time going up stairs when I picked him up on 10-17. She will begin to sit up and then walk soon!Let me know if you have any more questions. I thought perhaps there was a structural problem with the hind legs causing some of complications - but only if they could walk on their own. . Michelle, Fudge spent most of the day and all night in his 'rig' for the first 3 or so days. Rebecca, that is just wonderful news! He is about the size of a 2 1/2-3 week old puppy. Its another day of enjoyable bonding with your dog. With closer examination, I noticed that the third rib from the bottom . Rahal SC, Morishin Filho MM, Hatschbach E, Machado VMV, Aptekmann KP, Corra TP. I have my iPad at the hospital and he's out of ICU now so I should be able to reply faster. :) I hope I have answered your questions. She displayed all the symptoms mentioned above. His chest is flat, with a little dip in his chest (Which the vet was concerned about it pressing on his heart as he gets older). The rib cage is located under the vertebra. Before I found your site, I had already talked to my vet about her and been told there was really nothing that I could do. Generally, most dog breeds have twenty-six ribs in thirteen pairs, and they are attached to the sternum. Her eyes just opened 3 days ago (age 14 days old) I will keep you posted on her progress. After the surgery, all heart and breathing problems were resolved. Warning: If their chest feels soft, theres a chance that their lungs got damaged. :-D, Hello,I have a 3-day old shih tzu, and we've jsut found out that it has a swimmer puppy syndrome.She's having trouble breathing. It is otherwise known as a funnel chest. Cora, I would agree that time will tell with your boy. wish I knew earlier about this syndrome, cause last year I had to put a puppy down, cause I didnt know any better.. :(But now Im determent to cure this little fella! I am massaging her and am now thinking about hobbling her hind legs as these are very weak, the front ones just stay straight out in front of her but the back ones are really floppy and go straight out behind her or to the side, but I know she can use them because when I put her on her side she puts up an enormous battle to get back to her belly. If you have any more questions, please post here again. My swimmer pup is 35 wks old now and still no improvement. At first, the bones start long but gradually become shorter in the end. Include an omega-3 or omega-6 fatty acid supplement mixed into the dog's food, for a dog recovering from starvation. and thanks to Jacqui for posting the youtube link which inspired me to make a rig for my puppy.My female english cocker spaniel delivered 6 puppies on 19th Oct. After 4 days, found that of the puppy is having the swimmer puppy syndrom. I have looked for help in various other ways and means but to no avail.Nicola, Today her walking is even better looks like she s just a little behind. He has been walking for a few days now. Mandie, I'm so happy to be able to help. He is only two weeks old and still pretty small. The risks of pectus excavatum in puppies are nothing to be messed with. Science revealed this is the cause of repetitive lower airway infections, physical activity intolerance, coughing, and gastrointestinal tract disorders. Once youre familiar with a normal floating rib. It really seems to help her and I am tempted to say it (shape of her ribs) is getting better. Do I place the cotton balls on the inside of the front legs or the outside. Mom had a small litter and pups were HUGE and VERY FAT. I'm keeping it on her just a few days longer, then she won't need it any more.I can see why this works so well. Since you are on this so early, taping would be the preferred method.I recommend using the self-adhesive first aid tape that resembles an ACE bandage. Finally two weeks after his arrival I build a "canyon" a little wider than the puppy with some wood boards and an antislip surface that is normally used beneath carpets to avoid people to slip in the carpet.That made him to stand up as the walls of the canyon didn't allow him to splay out his limbs to the side. I too have been breeding labs for 13 years now, and have never had a problem. I hope I have covered everything that concerned you! Since your little guy is SO young, forcing him onto his side may be the only intervention you will need to 'fix' him. A young vet when saw the puppy, immediately said me that when she was at the vet university, studied a case called "Swimmer Puppy Syndrome" She was not too sure about it and checked on her PC about the syndrome. She became very ill and I noticed her trying to push, long story short she lost 2 pups, and one other didn't make it 2 weeks ago. We were extremely discouraged by so much of the (rather limited) info on swimmers, but your article is encouraging. He went to the vet today and I almost left without him. Gentle tapping of the swelling just behind the last rib often produces hollow, drum-like sounds. Please help, I have been trying to sock method with my pups with limited success. Neelanjana, yes, absolutely turn them on their sides, especially when nursing. However, since you have stated she does not sleep on her side, that is a cause for concern. a potential swimmer and should be watched. Please let me know and I will try to help you. I am 35 weeks pregnant and about to lose my mind. Details Identifiers Latin cavea thoracis MeSH D000070602 TA98 A02.3.04.001 Just wanted to tell you that my Swimmer is doing just great! He started gagging and his breathing has gotten worse. Digital Vision./Digital Vision/Getty Images. She is very kind and eager to help.Please let me know if you still need assistance. The puppy now weighs about 14 oz.Do you think there is any reason not to try the shirt on her at this age? I hope this helps you. Thank you very much in advance for your replies!! Labmama, thank you thank you thank you your support is so appreciated. There is one puppy in particular that is always panting. Just like in humans, pectus excavatum in dogs isnt just cosmetic. sometimes they push there legs out to the side but for the most part they have them under them.I have put an egg crate in the box and turned the heat off I make them crawl and rub there legs . When he moved to his mother to nurse, he looked like a soldier crawling under concertina wire, scooting along on his tummy. When I held him, I could feel how flat his rib cage was; he had trouble breathing. I am worried about their backlegs not turning forward, will this change? They will progress rapidly. Removing him from the litter and putting him on his side (you might try the basket/box method) is also a great idea.I would give it a while - perhaps even a week or so - to 'sink in' with your pup. I don't even sleep at night so I can make sure they are on their side, since the box is in my room, and they cry and keep me up part of the night anyway. Do you think there is anything else I should do. Thank you for updating all of us on the success of your pup. I am sooo happy, I know she has a long way to go, but she is on the road to recovery. He had a family before us but they didn't treat him at all and they just returned him to the association where we adopted him later. Did they break their bones, or are they sick? He was given 1 day. Normally in CT strays are give 5-7 days depending on the pound. [cited 2022 Dec 4]. Crystal, I apologize for not replying sooner; I had some computer issues and I did not see your message.If your pup's front legs are in a normal position, you don't need to use the foam and shirt technique I described; that only works for spayed front legs. They do not drag out behind him and are not crooked or splayed. I'm just noticing that this blog is pretty old, I hope you're still checking it!Thanks!Brooks. Should I hobble the back legs or would that be counter productive for a puppy who is already moving around? It shouldnt take more than a few days for the pup to start adjusting and doing it on his own.Best of luck to you; post again if you need anything else. :-(, No problem at all. I'm a bit concerned about his rib cage. My vet suggested not doing anything thinking they would out grow it, but when they were not walking by three weeks, I started researching to see what the problem might be. either cannot or that chooses not to lay on his side. he is doing great now. scientific evidence of a female schnauzer dog, scientific research on external splinting, https://www.cabdirect.org/cabdirect/welcome/?target=%2fcabdirect%2fabstract%2f19912215354, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trachea&oldid=1117780283, Insufficiencies in the diaphragm musculature, Heart murmurs (unusual blood flow through the heart, Cyanosis (blueing of the surface of the skin). The front legs are better, but he can only drag himself around with them. Copyright 2023 Leaf Group Ltd. / Leaf Group Media, All Rights Reserved. I was logged in under a different account, so my response shows a different name, but it's still LabMama. Just be sure the binding isnt too tight or rigid for her to breath properly. They do not lie on their bellies either, they do indeed lie on their sides. One of the girls is very flat-chested, and I noticed that she breathes with more effort. Early diagnosis depends on astute observation and frequent handling of puppies. Some studies have shown that swimmer puppy syndrome is highest in obese puppies. You are NOT a bother. I have no idea what happened last Saturday and am aware of no trauma sustained in our care these last two months. It's egg Ask an Expert Ask a Vet Dog Health Found 2 result (s) for your search He has a squishy lump on his side by his rib cage. They could be fatty deposits in the skin or a fatty tumor. Pectus excavatum in eight dogs and six cats. I wanted to add mama has quit nursing them. A lump also referred to as a mass, growth, bump or tumor, can occur anywhere on the body and come in all shapes and sizes. If you have any questions, please leave them in the comment section below. Scientific Electronic Library Online: Pectus Carinatum in a Dog. I'm italian and I'm trying to save my 5 weeks old newfoundland puppy.I noticed the female puppy had a problem around the 3rd week, but cause she was the smallest of the group, I thought she would be able to walk with a little delay.At the 4th week she was not walking, she was still moving as a reptile. Different Types Of Dog Feet. The pups are four weeks old right now. One of them has the swimmers feet. Flat-chested kitten syndrome 1 language Flat-chested kitten syndrome ( FCKS) is a disorder in cats wherein kittens develop a compression of the thorax (chest/ribcage) caused by lung collapse [citation needed]. We can't thank you enough for all your advice and helping us and so many more save all our puppies. I'm looking for a basket, at the moment, she is sleeping on her side, close to the mom :( It's a bad sign that she is not in the mood for eating, either from the mom and the weaning food? I have made the t-shirt and she has it on 3 days now, I alternate with the sock. The main reason for hard bony lumps on your dog's rib cage are cancerous tumors, fatty tumors, in-grown warts, and sebaceous cysts. Right now I am using the sock one as its snug fit. The debate then is whether thats because fewer calories are expended in struggling for a teat After taping her front paws and back paws for almost three weeks, she is able to walk and run now but her flat chest hasnt improved . The minimal extent that a brace must stay in position to cause lasting changes in the dogs breastbone is unknown. In over half a century and litters ranging from Akitas to Toy Fox Terriers, we bought countless bolts of carpet but I have never had a swimmer. Dog Itchy After Vaccines: 7 Vital Tips (Updated 2023), Puppy Yelping After Vaccination: 7 Causes + 5 Tips (2023). If I hobble any tighter, he can't walk. Just type it all on the comment box below. One poster said she had good luck with egg crate style foam. If you can teach them to do that on their own at this very early stage you can probably prevent more complications going forward. My litter consisting in 5 pups is very unlucky from the beginning, one of them has a cleft palate and we are keeping him alive (he will be 4 weeks on saturday) to have surgery when he will be big enough. The one in your whelping box Swimmers were more common when puppies were whelped and reared on newspaper. This dog breed can be easily recognized by its small nose and squashed facial form. If you have a box or basket to use, try that also. Add some chicken or beef broth to the food to moisten and provide extra flavor. Its never her choice but she s happy to stay there. He even sleeps at his side by himself, the female needs help to stay in that position. Dogs born with pectus excavatum often exhibit breathing difficulties. 2 comments. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chondrosarcoma in dogs most commonly affects the flat bones of the body, such as the ribs, skull, nasal cavity, and pelvis . I started searching on line and found coreen's web site. Weak muscles make standing, walking, and running virtually impossible. I forgot to mention he is 6 weeks today. For the last 20 years I've Hi,I tried the sock method and he can walk (not very firmly) after few days. Fossum TW, Boudrieau RJ, Hobson HP, Rudy RL. I am not sure how to "hobble" the back legs, I will have to research this more. However, the problem affects a kitten's spine and sternum too. We just found out on Wednesday that he is a "swimmmer". In most cases, floating ribs dont cause problems in dogs. Too much weight gain will put unnecessary pressure on the joints. But other than that, you can also pay attention to your dogs response. I look forward to hearing from you!!! Dogs with pectus carinatum should not be bred. Hi labmama,I am so grateful for your story and all the other success stories I've read of people you've given hope to. Poor dog is a whole bucket of genetic faults: monorchid, LC, and swimmer. I know it sounds concerning, but its not a birth defect. It was so alarming.I found your website immediately and bought some t-shirts to cut up and after experimenting, made a rig to fit her.I used a 2 inch chunk of car sponge, as I thought her chest desperately needed raising up but it kept slipping sideways. My vet clinic does a lot of reproductive research & this is how they knew about the condition. Have you asked your veterinarian about any other possible health issues, such as hip dysplasia? The costal cartilages and the sunken breastbone are more flexible in younger dogs. Hi there! Most importantly- and this one is crucial- stay CONSISTENT. Hi,Thank you for your informative and useful blog about swimmer puppies. He never had the swimmer puppy front legs. I have had 19 litters and never heard of this until I googled the issue and found this blog. He is very rigid though and if he looks off one direction his whole body will roll that direction. My question is, when I try to get him to lie on his side, does it matter which side, since one is worse than the other? We found your web site and tried your sock method for 3 days on the 4th day the puppy had gotten considerably worse. his left hind leg can support him for a few seconds to stand but just collapses after. I told him to hold off on doing ANYTHING till I do some research. He should begin sitting up and walking very soon.There should be no complications to his overall health and he has a normal life expectancy. They saw that no reoccurrence of pectus excavatum had happened and that the dogs internal organs were working correctly. Should I continue to try and put him on his side, or will the cosmetic sponges give him enough relief off his stomach?Or do you have any other suggestions?Thank you so much,Crystal, Hi, Your site is so helpful!

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