The left side group that is marked was the 8 barrel, unmarked 18. You are using an out of date browser. 892 fps. Accuracy in the inches at 50 yards. Lil'Gun does better for accuracy in the bolt, but A1680 cycles the ARs more reliably with subs. and it gave 1,225 fps at 39,700 psi and a ES of 16 fps. 15.8gr H110 chrono'd 1920fps from my 16" with the bullet crimped into the first driving band. Enter your cartridge and bullet weight, and the site will list Min and Max loads. I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and AR15 Pistols. 300BO was and still is the only rifle cartridge I've ever reloaded. 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js'; "Their answer is that no, it burns at the same temperature as H110". interesting. It is likely bolt speed and compressed powder moving the bullet forward due to moving faster on an empty mag. My 300 is mainly a range blaster so it does what I need it to do. The second test was with CFE BLK loaded to 34.0 grs. Just to add more interesting stuff to the mixI ordered a little bottle of Puff-Lon to see what I can do. All the way to the max of 23.7. 208 Amax I did not shoot without the suppressor. I use H110 under 110gr Vmax bullets and get 2100fps out of an 8.5 inch barrel . Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. I've tried Lil Gun for 300BOit seems to run hot. The 300AAC B.O. I've used H110, 4227, Lil' Gun, CFE, Blackout, Trail Boss, and A1680. I quite using H110 in 44 Mag, too much muzzle blast and flash and I can achieve the same velocity (in a revolver) with nearly half as much IMR 800x. Check with leading vendors such as Brunos, Midsouth, and Powder Valley. The 300 AAC Blackout delivers ballistic performance comparable to 7.6239, yet possesses a base diameter that optimizes functionality in an AR-type platform. In addition to being outstanding in the 300 Blackout, it performs well in many smaller capacity cartridges such as the 17 Hornet, 17 Ackley Hornet, 218 Bee, 221 Fireball and many more. 2.255. All Rights Reserved. . My best groups with supers was with 150 gr Hornady interlocks over W296 with CCI 450 primers. I just need to figure out if a different seating stem would fit the bullets better. With an impact velocity of . I am happy to say that from a 24 barrel there was no flash when suppressed. by ThreeHundredBlackout Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:59 pm, Post I use it for my magnum handgun loads so when I saw it gave good results in 300BO I started using it in that caliber too. The group on the right of the pic below is much better than those numbers indicate. CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. Primers showed some flattening, more than I would have expected for only 37,400 psi. The first thing I noticed when I opened a one pound jug was that it looked like they shorted me a half pound of powder. The powder is growing on me in a carbine gas system. One other tidbit is my last shot has continued to be an anomaly. Contemplating reloading 300AAC however I have to ask is it really worth it? For supersonic or subsonic loads? 2500fps out of a 14.5" barrel. The following is from a 10" test barrel using the 700 gr. Last weeks load of 11 grains at 2.255 had an ES just over 200 fps. Great accuracy, very consistent and meters well. by 41Bear Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:44 am, Post Hodgdon Tite Group. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. As someone said above, maybe the case capacity of this brass is lower causing it to be more full???? It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. I put .025 compression on the powder. Definitely worth a try. JavaScript is disabled. Chronoed using a magnetto. CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. . when I discounted that as a possible loading error the ES dropped to 24, SD 10. these are numbers that are a reasonable to start with. 21.96, 22.00. I have read a variety of ballistic charts and reloading data. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:46 pm, Post I have had trouble before with sunny and snow being too bright. Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. 21.98, 21.98 I have used Win 296 (same as H110) with good results in subsonic 300 Blk using Sierra 220gr and Hornady 208gr Amax shot out of a 8.5" SBR with a can. 21.98, 21.98 Moderators:gds, bakerjw, renegade, bamachem, Post by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:48 pm, Post It also yields top performance in the 6.8 Remington SPC and the 7.62X39 mm Russian cartridge. 300 Blackout 220 GR SIE HPBT Hodgdon CFE BLK .308" 2.260" Starting Loads Maximum Loads CALIBER BULLET WEIGHT MANUFACTURER POWDER BULLET DIAMETER C.O.L. 19 IMR Co IMR GREEN 69 Hodgdon CFE BLK 119 Norma 204 20 Winchester WST 70 Norma 200 120 Hodgdon HYBRID 100V . At this time their shipping/HAZMAT charge is $7.95/$10.00 a price I haven't been able to beat or even come close to elsewhere on line. It will be a very good powder for carbine length systems and probably lighter bullets. Shooters World BLACKOUT. 2.255 COL, 8 barrel pistol gas Mainly because I had a jug or two squirreled away. I have always had good luck with H110 and WW296 for that case . Hodgdon CFE BLK. Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more. 300 AAC Blackout (7.62 x 35 mm) (300 BLK) 125 gr. Thats good news for shooters of small varmint cartridges. Considering I was using a brass catcher, I would call it possibly excessive. I know it's probably not much help but I've loaded quite a bit of 300blk and I'm really not of fan of CFE BLK in both sub and super loads. For lightweight supers the density is too high and yeah you'll be compressing even at starting load. 21.88, 22.08 Hodgdon shows a similar max charge of H110 (20.0) as Barnes, with similar velocity. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true; It may not display this or other websites correctly. I'm using a suppressor and 16 inch barrel and there is plenty of gas to cycle the action reliably and give me around 1050 fps. A 16 had very minor flash. 1038 Loading up cheap and quiet subsonic 300 blackout using gallant bullets with CFE BLK powder in mixed head stamp converted brass. I just bought a jug of H110 to start working on a load in that powder my rifle. So, based on my tests, I now use Lil'Gun excluzively in my .357mag levergun loads. check out the. If you're unsure, or just want options, check as many boxes as you'd like. 813 fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 22.8gr 2025fps 25.2gr 2250fps 150gr Speer Gold Dot (BLK variant) 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.3gr 1925fps 23.7gr 2150fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Hodgdon CFEBLK 23.2gr 2075fps 25.8gr 2300fps 150gr Speer Boattail Soft Point 2.255" Accurate 1680 21.7gr 2000fps 24.1gr 2225fps 771 fps Not being argumentative, just curious. H110 is the powder that was used to make 30 carbine. I loaded it with CFE and weighed it. alamo5000 I won't go into powers or practices as other, better men than I have already spoken however if you, or anyone here for that matter, need to order on line might I suggest Graf & Sons. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Very accurate. CFE BLK did have exceptional accuracy though worth the 110 Vmax. Im new to reloading and dont want to make a mistake. I've loaded the 300Whisper's multiple leade angle chamber designed for the 220-240gr projectiles since it's inception 30+ years ago & to date. 220 Hornady RN, 12.1gr CFE BLK, sig brass, cci 450. Although I had lock back on empty, I had possibly the highest ES/SD numbers in recorded history. I will say that it has all the qualities inherent to 1680 that drove me to work hard to find a substitute. Mar 13, 2019. (And from what some say, can possibly go faster). I shoot 243 for coyotes and shoot 58gr to 100 gr bullets. Nope, I don't load 300 BO at all. 240 SMK PwrPro 300-MP H110 296 H4227 IMR - 4227 AR - 2205 A - 5744 A - 1680 680 N - 120 H4198 IMR - 4198 200 AR - 2207 2000 A - 2200 LT-32 REL - 7 AR - BMk1 H - 322 A - 2015 AR - 2219 Benchmark IMR - 3031 A - 2230 X-Terminator REL-10x 201 AR - BMk2 3000 N - 130 A - 2460 Sp10 BLC (2) 748 N - 133 The added burn time, longer dwell really tames the noise and cuts down on the amount of powder blow back. I've even managed to get Alliant 2400 powder to work with lighter bullets. Right now my feeling is that this is a powder that needs to be compressed. I use CFE BLK (12gr) for 220gr subsonics. I chose a load from the on line load data. Please note that I do not load subsonic. 1047 Just received some info back from Callahan Mciver at Hodgdon Powder. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. One new winner* is announced every week! Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. NRA Life Member, but the GOA is who I support. A very popular cartridge, this 50AE based case contains a .308 style -300BlkTalk, 110 grain V-Max CFE BLK load data -300BlkTalk, For Better Bullet Seating Try Lapping Inside of Seating Stems Daily Bulletin, https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/300AACBlackoutV6ForWeb.pdf, 300 BLK suppressed AR Pistol subsonic reloading, Powder question for reloading 300 Blackout Subsonic. The post is about my experience between H110 and Lil'Gun in .357mag used in 20" and 24" leverguns explaining that I switched powders for the much lower peak pressure advantage expecting to see a slight drop in velocities as is the case with Lil'Gun when used in pistol length barrels but instead I found I got a large velocity increase along with the expected lower peak pressure. Hodgdon reports the CFE BLK meters well, allowing reloaders to throw very consistent charges every time: This fine powder meters like a dream and leaves no copper residue, extending accuracy for longer shooting periods, and making clean-up quick and easy.. I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. The 8 barrel pistol gas in a word was uncomfortable to shoot without ear protection. Well damn. It's good for target or mid-range loads in magnums but it's faster burning than AA9, 2400, or H110/WW296, 4227 or Lil'gun. CFE Pistol is not a magnum pistol powder. The CFE Pistol is made for 9X19, 40, 38 Super and such. Cartridge Overall Length: 2.02 inches. _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-6323545-2']); And Sierra's three 110 gr. Search: Cfe Blk Vs H110. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. by dellet Sat Jul 07, 2018 1:27 pm, Post Still marred. Next step for me is to load some like I think they should be loaded, instead of the given data. I use the CFE BLK in my Remington 221 Fireball with the 40gr Varmegaddon, 20.5grs. Should look something like this data: S Slowbolt Registered Joined Mar 26, 2022 8 Posts BTW, 18.5 grs pushing 110 gr Hornady SP's are way more accurate out of my cheap PSA rifle than I would have ever figured staring out. Pistol SET YOUR SIGHTS ON PISTOL RELOADING DATA Find what you need in four easy steps. Always let your loads stand for at least an hour and re measure the COL. I need to drop some speed, these were cracking at 25 degrees. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. 73802E56-837F-48A2-A7B4-AF21CA7EB748.jpeg, FF62D836-B35B-4269-9A64-85377653D7E4.jpeg. Like everything else work up your loads slowly and you will find the sweet spot where your gun groups the best. No where did they have any VV powder and I wasn't going to drive around anymore than I already did. Always start low. It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. LC converted 1.350, 1067 fps 56 ES Can be used in small rifle cartridges like the .22 Hornet and .30 Carbine. Honestly, I think 4227 and H110/296 to be the ideal powders for that bullet. Basically 22 grains, I dropped ten charges and weighed them on a Gempro 250. And I can attest to the fact it does a number on rock chucks. New Starline 300 Blackout Cases. I bought 2 pounds of this powder since it was all I could find. 1063 The original CFE 223 propellant was formulated for reduced copper fouling (CFE in the name refers to Copper Fouling Eraser). Improved Military Rifle IMR 4198. This spreads out the seating force over a larger area of the bullet jacket. 2.255 COL It's almost difficult to find a load our barrels do not like. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. The group on the left, starts showing some promise. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. More shooting will sort that out. I haven't tried cfe blk or h110 yet, but lilgun and imr 4227 work good in my 14" AR. 1049 208 Amax, 11 grains at 2.260. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A forum community dedicated to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts. The fun news is that with this setup I was able to have full function shooting Hornady 150 fmj #3037 bullets when suppressed. 1023 average with 14.0 sd out of a 16" Ruger American. Hodgdons new CFE BLK (named after the .300 AAC Blackout cartridge) has a faster burn rate than the original CFE 223. It's also pretty nice when suppressed due to a lack of residue buildup. 300 Blackout vs. 350 Legend. 1720fps from 8 inch barrel. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. After reading the threads posted I felt more comfortable compressing the load to the 2.050 COL. We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. by wildfowler Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:29 pm, Post ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? The H110 produced a sharp crack recoil in my leverguns while the Lil'Gun produces a longer, stronger recoil. By comparison a sized empty case holds 24.5 grains of H110/296. Then select your bullet weight, powder manufacturer and powder type. 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